Posts by Joey Jo-Jo

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade in

disproving the date 1914 as a significant year in bible prophecy is of great importance to some (e.g.

carl o. jonsson).

along with the meticulous details of bible and secular chronology, broadening one's horizons when assessing exactly what this date represents when compared against the 6000 years of human history likewise has merit.

Joey Jo-Jo

Spade wrote If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

This just means I'm glad I'm not you.

Yeah.. ok you may want to read that again, its the good news of Jesus not Jehovah, you know the one you guys never preach about.

How about Spade Deut 18:21 ""How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the L ORD ?” If the prophet speaks in the L ORD ’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the L ORD did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without My authority and need not be feared.

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade in

disproving the date 1914 as a significant year in bible prophecy is of great importance to some (e.g.

carl o. jonsson).

along with the meticulous details of bible and secular chronology, broadening one's horizons when assessing exactly what this date represents when compared against the 6000 years of human history likewise has merit.

Joey Jo-Jo

Spade, Carl's book (last revision) also reviews Rolf Furuli's first volume, its a lengthy review and interesting.

And, lets say satan made all this 586BCE up, even then without secular data you will still find huge cheese holes in the JW theology (also in carl's book), I even found a scripture in the WT bible-OT which reads differently from all the other bibles.

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade in

disproving the date 1914 as a significant year in bible prophecy is of great importance to some (e.g.

carl o. jonsson).

along with the meticulous details of bible and secular chronology, broadening one's horizons when assessing exactly what this date represents when compared against the 6000 years of human history likewise has merit.

Joey Jo-Jo

Spade, if you do have Carl's book you would know that there are 14 lines of evidence against 607BCE and zero against 587BCE. You would also know that 607BCE idea came from a second adventist, this second adventist who adopted the idea from millinearies to link various scriptures to come up with the return of Christ (not the invicible return but the return to destroy), do you know what the bible says about people who prophecie Spade?

Despite what you have been told or have read, (also in the book)these dates can only come from secular dating, take out 539BCE and you wont have a point of referrence. Its a great book and I hope you put it to the test rather just quoting WT mags.

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade in

disproving the date 1914 as a significant year in bible prophecy is of great importance to some (e.g.

carl o. jonsson).

along with the meticulous details of bible and secular chronology, broadening one's horizons when assessing exactly what this date represents when compared against the 6000 years of human history likewise has merit.

Joey Jo-Jo

Guys be easy on Spade, there is so much info to support 607BCE here

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/198716/1/Joeys-trip-to-the-library

and here

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/194806/1/Library-Visit-2-607-BCE-vs-587-BCE-With-Pictures

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Australia: Tomorrow Night ACA on 9, Interview with x Closed Brethren

by finallysomepride in

jw
friends

check it out on 'a current affair' on channel 9 friday 25th.

thanks broken promises for the info.

Joey Jo-Jo

Channel 9

" Breaking free of the brethren - How Karen escaped the controversial church that brainwashed her whole family, and had her shunned. "

Which religion?? scientology, jw, armish, mormon??

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Scriptural proof of a paradise earth? Psalms 72:7; Isaiah 33:24

by Joey Jo-Jo in

a very close person i know is trying to show biblical proof that there are two classes, one in heaven and the other on a paradise earth, i think i have the celestial class 144000 covered.

i was given these two scriptures as proof that there will be everlasting life on earth.. psalms 72:7 - in his days may the righteous flourish, and abundance of peace till the moon is no more.. isaiah 33:24 - and no resident will say, "i am sick"; the people who dwell there will be forgiven their iniquity.. would anyone have any brackground on these two scriptures and what they really apply to?.

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Joey Jo-Jo

Thanks guys, I want to be clear and direct to the person I am speaking to, this person believes she has the truth, funny that she had to use the OT to prove the point of paradise earth.

So let me get this straight

1. Everlasting life promised to Israel nation (OT) BUT everyone at that (and this) stage went to heaven

2. God wants Nation of Israel to join with gentiles

3.God starts to dislike how jews carries on this

4. Prophecies of the end of the heavens and the earth

5. Jesus sent to earth as ramsom sacrifice for both jews and gentiles

6. Prophecy of new heavens and new earth (rev) is the continuation of (1) and invatation to gentiles after destruction of Heavens and earth?

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Needs help telling my mom that I dont want to be apart of her religion

by LovelyEunie in

i really don't know how to just tell my mom that i dont want to do be a jw, i mean i really shouldn't have to tell her if she'd actually pay attention to my attitude everytime she goes on a religious rant, but she chooses to stay blind and keeps making me go to that place and sit through meetings that i don't agree with on most occasions...i think that she thinks that if she keeps making me go then i'll miraculously have a change of heart and want to stay in (which will never happen).

i don't want to be disrepectful about it but since she obviously doesn't care about my feelings towards it, then why should i care if i hurt her feelings in the process, you know?

i just really don't know what to do, everytime i go to that place i feel fake because everthing they instruct us not to do, i've pretty much done it or will do it with no remorse, and i don't care either way.

Joey Jo-Jo

unzombiefying a JW is not that easy, they want to do the preaching and when you do the preaching to them their cult like brain shuts down and restarts once you are finish, I was amazed of the things I said to my parents that went into the left ear and came out the right, the trick is to let them stumble upon their own wording and reading of the bible, what black sheep wrote and skeeter1 wrote I would do....

You could show her that Awake about freedom of religion august 2009 I think.

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Scriptural proof of a paradise earth? Psalms 72:7; Isaiah 33:24

by Joey Jo-Jo in

a very close person i know is trying to show biblical proof that there are two classes, one in heaven and the other on a paradise earth, i think i have the celestial class 144000 covered.

i was given these two scriptures as proof that there will be everlasting life on earth.. psalms 72:7 - in his days may the righteous flourish, and abundance of peace till the moon is no more.. isaiah 33:24 - and no resident will say, "i am sick"; the people who dwell there will be forgiven their iniquity.. would anyone have any brackground on these two scriptures and what they really apply to?.

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Joey Jo-Jo

Thanks guys for your input, our conversation is going to be strictly from the bible only, I would like to point these understandings.

So what did happen to the promise to the Nation of Israel? Just in case I get asked (I have a lot of reading to do but this is for sat so any input would be great)

Mad Sweeney - Good point

brotherdan - 1Cor 13:12 got it!

jonathan dough - thanks ill read into it.

abbagail - thanks

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Scriptural proof of a paradise earth? Psalms 72:7; Isaiah 33:24

by Joey Jo-Jo in

a very close person i know is trying to show biblical proof that there are two classes, one in heaven and the other on a paradise earth, i think i have the celestial class 144000 covered.

i was given these two scriptures as proof that there will be everlasting life on earth.. psalms 72:7 - in his days may the righteous flourish, and abundance of peace till the moon is no more.. isaiah 33:24 - and no resident will say, "i am sick"; the people who dwell there will be forgiven their iniquity.. would anyone have any brackground on these two scriptures and what they really apply to?.

.

Joey Jo-Jo

Thanks guys for your input, our conversation is going to be strictly from the bible only, I would like to point these understandings.

So what did happen to the promise to the Nation of Israel? Just in case I get asked (I have a lot of reading to do but this is for sat so any input would be great)

Mad Sweeney - Good point

brotherdan - 1Cor 13:12 got it!

jonathan dough - thanks ill read into it.

abbagail - thanks

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Scriptural proof of a paradise earth? Psalms 72:7; Isaiah 33:24

by Joey Jo-Jo in

a very close person i know is trying to show biblical proof that there are two classes, one in heaven and the other on a paradise earth, i think i have the celestial class 144000 covered.

i was given these two scriptures as proof that there will be everlasting life on earth.. psalms 72:7 - in his days may the righteous flourish, and abundance of peace till the moon is no more.. isaiah 33:24 - and no resident will say, "i am sick"; the people who dwell there will be forgiven their iniquity.. would anyone have any brackground on these two scriptures and what they really apply to?.

.

Joey Jo-Jo

A very close person I know is trying to show biblical proof that there are two classes, one in heaven and the other on a paradise earth, I think I have the celestial class 144000 covered. I was given these two scriptures as proof that there will be everlasting life on earth.

Psalms 72:7 - In his days may the righteous flourish, and abundance of peace till the moon is no more.

Isaiah 33:24 - And no resident will say, "I am sick"; the people who dwell there will be forgiven their iniquity.

Would anyone have any brackground on these two scriptures and what they really apply to?